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But who wants an English parliament

26/10/06

The redoubtable Canon Kenyon Wright threw a tartan cat among the constitutional pigeons this week by backing calls for an English Parliament. Canon Kenyon is an Episcopalian cleric who led the Scottish Constitutional Convention in the 1980’s which demanded – and eventually got – “Scotland’s Claim of Right” to a degree of national sovereignty. Now he’s calling for the “sovereign right” of the English people to have a parliament of their own.

Now, to most people, this will sound eccentric to say the least. Are English people not already sovereign? Do they lack self-determination? Are they under the domination of a foreign power? Clearly not. Unless you subscribe to the conspiracy theories of Jeremy Paxman et al, who believe that there is a “Scottish Raj” in charge of England because of the presence of Scots in the UK Cabinet.

So, what on earth is the Canon talking about? Is this just a piece of nationalist mischief making? The SNP leader, Alex Salmond, is himself an advocate of an English Parliament on the grounds that English nationalism is the surest way to bring about about Scottish independence. This week Salmond called for a new “Council of the British Isles”, based on the Nordic Council, which would bring together independent states of Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland and England as equal partners in a new confederation.

Now, Labour agree with Salmond that an English Parliament would hasten the break up of the UK, which is why Lord Falconer has ruled out any prospect devolution south of the border. But Canon Kenyon claims to be a unionist. He told the English Constitutional Convention in Westminster this week that an English parliament “may be the only way to save the UK”. His argument is one of simple equity. If Scotland has control of its own domestic affairs, why shouldn’t England? It is “quite irrational” he says for a government which supported Scottish devolution to deny the right to the English.

Well, irrational it may be. But there are serious problems with the idea of an English Parliament. It’s not at all clear that people in England want one for a start. They massively rejected elected English regional assemblies, which Labour saw as the best way to correct any constitutional imbalances. I suspect they would also reject the idea of federalism too – for that is what we are talking about.

If the UK constitution were to be ‘rebalanced’ so that an English Parliament took over domestic affairs, there would need to be a new federal level of government created to manage UK-wide functions like defence, foreign affairs, economic and monetary policy, constitutional relations etc.. There would probably need to be a supreme court too, and a written constitution to define the powers of the different levels of government.

. British people would have to get used to electing a wholly new tier of government – the UK government. There would be separation of powers, with – on present showings – a Labour-led Federal Government going head to head with a Conservative leadership in an English parliament. Taxation would also have to be disaggregated, so that specific revenues could be assigned to state and federal levels, with appropriate fiscal redistribution to take account of regional economic disparities. It’s no easy option.

But federalism is the only coherent answer to the anomalies created by the present “asymmetrical devolution”. There is clearly a potential problem about Scottish MPs voting on English bills, like education, when English MPs have no such rights to vote on Scottish legislation. However, I’m not sure how many English voters have ever actually heard of the West Lothian Question, and I suspect very few could explain what the problem is.

This seems to me to be the key question here. Do English people care enough about Scottish devolution to go the distance? Is the governance of England so seriously distorted by the marginal influence of Scottish MPs in the Commons that we need a new American style constitution? I don’t think so – but I am open to persuasion.

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52 thoughts on “But who wants an English parliament

  1. Well many of us do Mr Macwhirter. Depending on which poll you believe, between 27 and 41 per cent of us. More significant than the headline figure is the steady growth in the numbers over the last decade. In 1996 the number of (English) supporters of an English parliament could have met in a telephone kiosk.Clearly though, we expect the issue to be talked down by a commited Scottish Unionist.

    Posted by James Matthews | November 1, 2006, 9:24 am
  2. Iain McWhirter is many things but a staunch unionist is not one of them!!

    Posted by Anonymous | November 1, 2006, 9:26 am
  3. thousands of us want an EP but we are brushed under the Establishment carpet by so-called defenders of the nation, Unionists.New Labour hadn’t a clue when they took the top off the devolution genie.why can’t the people of England have their say, why is it so wrong for us to call for an EP.the union is dead, long live England

    Posted by Ed Abrams | November 1, 2006, 9:47 am
  4. You are incorrect to state that Kenyon Wright is a unionist. In fact he supports and is a member of the all party/non party pro independence, Scottish Independence Convention, of which I am secretary, and whose Chairman is Murray Ritchie, another well known political political journalist.When Kenyon Wright joined he gave us this endorsement-Your Governing Principles are totally acceptable to me – indeed they reflect the “Claim of Right for Scotland” with which we began the work of the SCC – the recognition of “the sovereign right of the people of Scotland to determine how they will be governed”You can check out our full Governing principles, and read Murray Ritchies blog at http://www.scottishindependenceconvention.org

    Posted by Anonymous | November 1, 2006, 9:53 am
  5. I am not sure you have you have managed to represent in your comments the true level of frustration we English have on this matter.The majority of people I talk with regarding this are fully in favour of an English Parliament. The current inequalities of government for English people are no longer acceptable. This is not about being left, right or centre, race colour or creed…it is about being fair!

    Posted by David Lane | November 1, 2006, 10:43 am
  6. English people may be rather apathetic about constitutional problems but ever since devolution to Scotland and Wales we have been unfairly governed without any political means of deciding priorities and speaking up for England. But awareness of the problem has been steadily growing as evidenced in recent polls. Apathy is increased during a period of relatively prosperous economic circumstances but once that ceases in the economic cycle the more attention will be turned to how we are being governed. The risk is that this could lead to extreme reactions calling for the break up of the Union.Those who value the Union are best advised to tackle the English Question now and seek to have a system of devolved government for all the nations of the UK. This does not have to be a fully federal system as ultimate powers can continue to remain with the UK government in Westminster. With increased mobility and easier travel there is already a much greater intermix of populations in the UK and with a level political playing field all in the Union should be able to live together in greater harmony.

    Posted by Anonymous | November 1, 2006, 11:30 am
  7. I was interested, though rather surprised, to learn that neither Iain Macwhirter nor Canon Kenyon Wright are in favour of the Union.It’s too much to hope that Kenyon Wright will respond but, as this is Iain’s Blog, perhaps he will come out. Is he unequivocally in favour of an independent Scotland?

    Posted by James Matthews | November 1, 2006, 12:08 pm
  8. What would Macwhirter say if he knew the truth of the matter, since we English have no right to say what happens in Scotland, Wales or NI, what gives them the right ti inerfair in English matters.Mr Macwhirter should get his facts right, in what way does England govern it’s self, when England is being governed by the UK Government which is so full of Scots who if England was given Self Rule under an English Parliament would lose their very lucrative cushy jobs, plus the Barnnet Formula would have to be abolished wouldn’t it, so deniying the English their Right to self-determination wouldn’t be a good move for the meany Scots, Welsh or NI Unionist MP’s or their respective Countries now would it Mr Macwhirter, who has a very Scot’s sounding name i may add, who knows his cushy position would probebly come to an end if the English had self Rule wouldn’t it Mr Macwhirter?Lord, oh thats a joke for a start, Lord Falcner what his name is, is one of Mc Blairs old Pals that’s why he’s in the House of Lords, that’s why he opens his big Scots Mouth on the subject of an English Parliament because he like his little Buddy Mc Blair would Lose his Cumfy position in the House of Lords.It looks to me that our Scots Buddies who have cushy positions in England are getting rather or should i say very ueasy about their lucrative cushy jobs in England, so they go around trying to convince themselves that everything in their Pro-Scots Unionist garden is cosy and nothings wrong, by saying theres no call for an English Parliament, well sooner or later you cronies of the Scots Dominated Three Main Parties will have to wake up and face the reality of the truth, because this so-called Union is coming to the end of it’s life, or should i say well past it’s sell by date, and bloody good to.Oh by the way Macwhirter you and your Scots Raj Cronies will have to stop telling the English what we want and what we don’t want, who the hell do you think you are.

    Posted by Anonymous | November 1, 2006, 2:06 pm
  9. “Is the governance of England so seriously distorted by the marginal influence of Scottish MPs in the Commons” cropped.Yes of course it is, apart from the known Scots ministers, every time a “minister” appears as a spokesperson for the government he/she invariably has a Scottish accent, hardly “marginal” influence.

    Posted by Anonymous | November 1, 2006, 5:34 pm
  10. It’s hard to take you seriously, Mr Macwhirter, when you write such risible nonsense but it’s reassuring that you are ‘open to persuasion’.Were you to remove your tartan tinted spectacles you might see that although many people in England may not know where West Lothian is they can understand the debts their undergraduate children incur as a result of the ‘marginal influence’ of Scotch MPs in English affairs, and the certainty of being denied life enhancing drugs if suffering from cancer.What I would ask you to consider is this: If giving the people of England (some of them Scotch) the control over their affairs that the people of Scotland now enjoy cannot but destroy the ‘union’, surely it was the creation of the Scotch parliament that started the process of dissolution?

    Posted by W G Gruff | November 1, 2006, 7:17 pm
  11. How do you know there is no appetite for an English Parliament Mr MacWhirter? Unlike the Scots or Welsh we`ve not been asked our opinions on the Union or the Constitution. I suspect the reason not, is that the Establishment are running scared of the likely answer. Far easier to try and fob the English off with lame duck assemblies for so called `English regions`. One recent opinion poll showed that 41% of us would like a Parliament, this with no publicity and not a penny of tax payers money being spent to promote the idea. Your comment that few English people know of, or understand the West Lothian Question is patronising. Do you really think we don`t care that higher education is more expensive in England and our NHS is in crisis as a direct result of intervention by Scottish constituency MPs? You`d better start believing it.

    Posted by Enigma | November 1, 2006, 7:38 pm
  12. Mr. Macwhirter argues that the people of England would reject the idea of an English Parliament because the north-east of England rejected a regional assembly… What planet is he living on? An English Parliament is the exact opposite of regional assemblies: it would unite, not divide England; it would give the people of England control over policies that actually matter, like health and education; it would solve the West Lothian Question, and most important of all, while 19% of people want regional assemblies 41% want an English Parliament.

    Posted by Tom Waterhouse | November 2, 2006, 12:43 pm
  13. In the interests of fairness and equality I want an English Parliament. Devolution to Scotland and Wales has demonstrated beyond any doubt how England now experiences descrimination. Increasingly the people of England are waking up to the unsatisfactory way they are governed- by a UK Government consisting of far too many Scottish MPs telling us what to do, when they are prevented from deciding on what happens in Scotland. If there are no constitutional changes bringing England into line with other parts of the UK then I suggest the 300year Act of Union (2007)will become otiose.

    Posted by Tom Jackson | November 5, 2006, 8:57 pm
  14. Let me clarify my position on independence in the light of some of the comments to this blog from Iain Mc Whirter. I have always started from the sovereign right of the people – oif they wante independence they are entitled to have it, but I personally believe in a REFORMED Union, probably as a Federal State. I did not “join” the independence convention, nor have I attended any of their meetings – what I did do was to respond with approval to their “governing principles” which affirmed the sovereignty of the people. These principles did not include a specific commitment to independence (which in any case needs to be defined more clearly in a world where only interdependence makes sense.). What I said in London was that England had the same right as we do to their own Parliament, but I added and stressed the phrase “if the people want it”

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