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Sorry guys: the debt has to be paid,

 They don’t call it the dismal science for nothing.  You could forgive politicians of all parties for despairing of economics.  Take the great deficit row.  On the one hand we have all the economic analysts in the City, saying that Britain’s budget deficit is much too high, the largest peacetime deficit in history,  and has to be cut.  If you don’t cut the deficit, then the cost of debt interest will shoot up above £70bn and Britain will have a Greek tragedy. This is why the chancellor, George Osborne, is planning an epic austerity programme in next week’s emergency budget. 
   But on the other hand we have another group of economists, like Nobel laureates  Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, who say no! no! no! –  cutting the deficit is the last thing we should do. At least not now, while all the EU economies are doing the same thing. The combined austerity programmes will plunge us all back into recession as demand falls and trade grinds to a halt.   Government debt will actually rise because of the increased cost of mass unemployment and the loss of tax revenue.  The latest rise in unemployment yesterday to 2.5 milion suggests that this is a real problem. We were already having a jobless recovery – swingeing cuts in public spending could make it a jobless slump.  Labour’s interim leader, Harriet Harman, tore into the “Tory cuts” at prime minister’s question time yesterday accusing David Cameron of “talking down the economy” for ideological ends. 
     So there you have it: the deficit is going to go up if we cut public spending and it’s going to go up if we don’t cut spending.   Brilliant!  Britain is on the fast track to default, and in a hand cart to stagflation, whatever we do.   Might as well grab a gun and a bag of gold and head for the hills.     Fortunately everyone is agreed on one thing: economic growth is the only way ultimately to bridge the deficit – just as you have to get a job earning good pay in order to pay off a mortgage. Everyone, Labour and Tory, also agrees that the deficit has to come down.  The question is basically one of when and how.  The neo-Keynsians say that you need to keep spending high for the time being to replace the demand destroyed by the downturn/  The fiscal conservatives say that we are already nearing the limits of borrowing and that Britain’s debt crisis will spiral out of control if we don’t convince the bond markets that the government is serious about balancing the books.  After all, our deficit is larger than Greece’s right now, and the about only reason financiers and firms are still buying our government debt is that Britain has a relatively good record of paying it back.
   It’s really a question of just how much debt can we take.  Britain’s national debt is relatively small right now at 60% of GDP  and is scheduled to rise to something like 90% .  After the Second World War,  America had a budget deficit of 120%.  Which was a good thing according to the Guardian’s economics editor Larry Elliott. “Far from being burdened with unpayable debt” he wrote this week, the baby boomers in the late 40’s and early 50’s were the most blessed generation in history”.  Well, some might disagree with the beatification, but what is really wrong with this analysis is that,  er, we aren’t at war,  and hopefully won’t have to be.  

    It’s true that rearmament ended the Great Depression and  America boomed after the war.  But this was largely because the dollar became the world’s reserve currency, and America, on the back of that, became the world’s greatest industrial and military power.  It could dictate the terms of trade, and still does.   War isn’t a get out of jail free card mainly because  it is not possible to replicate the wartime conditions in peace. The government can’t go around freezing bank accounts, seizing property and dictating to industry.  And Britain after the war was a very sorry place indeed,  afflicted by rationing, deflation and manufacturing decline.     I don’t believe that people could go back to that.   
   The peacetime debt record is held by Japan, which is scheduled, according to the IMF, to borrow 250% of GDP by 2015.   But this colossal spend hasn’t been much of a stimulus – Japan’s economy been stagnant since the property crash nearly twenty years ago.  Japan is able to run massive deficits because the Japanese people are fanatical savers.  The British public doesn’t save a penny, in fact we are so addicted to debt that we owe, in personal debts, more than our entire annual national income.  Any way you look at it, Britain simply cannot risk going much further into debt. We are heading for a trillion pound national debt; a trillion pound public sector pension liability piled on top of a trillion pound bank rescue and personal debts of one and a half trillion.  There’s no way of laying this off, pretending it’s not there, wishing it away.    Nor is default, or declaring national bankruptcy, an easy way out because that just raises further the cost of borrowing. 
   I’ve thought a great deal about this issue in the last couple of years, and I’m afraid I have to part company with the neo-Keynsians.  Actually, Keynes didn’t support unlimited public spending and argued for balanced budgets in the 1930s.   The most important political reason for cutting the debt, Keynes argued  is that it will ultimately be paid, not by the rich, but by the working class.  Public spending is unique in that it is paid entirely out of the taxes of ordinary working families or through inflation. 
  These are scary times.  As European countries like Greece and Spain topple under the weight of their own debt, there’s a very serious risk of  a wave of sovereign defaults across the euro zone. These are countries only recently emerged from dictatorship where democracy has yet to be tested by serious economic hardship.  If the politicians here and abroad get it wrong, spending too much, printing too much, devaluing too far, we could end up like Weimar Germany.  And what’s worse, Germany could end up like Weimar Germany too. 
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9 thoughts on “Sorry guys: the debt has to be paid,

  1. I do feel sorry for the New Labour core, who were told for years that they had to buy into the idea that deregulated markets would take care of themselves while providing enough growth to allow them to spend on things like reducing the Tories' trebled child poverty rate, crime through the roof and 18 month waiting lists for the NHS. After all, when Gordon Brown was talking of having ended boom and bust he was agreeing with a Nobel prize winner. It's a joke for the mass of economists to turn on Labour after Labour followed their rules.

    Posted by Anonymous | June 17, 2010, 3:18 pm
  2. Low interest rates have killed manufacturing and caused debt to skyrocket. This is because speculation was encouraged by banks who are patrons of the politicians. The whole thing has resulted in endemic fraud.The banks should be bankrupted and the debts repudiated.The banksters knew what they were doing and still do. If we don´t kill the financial system and start again it will kill us.

    Posted by Anonymous | June 17, 2010, 3:49 pm
  3. IainNot surprised you plump for " part company with the neo-Keynsians" because at heart your Tory.Economics is only a social science and not a real one.and here is the definitive proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJwwAVM1Aucwatch and see

    Posted by Mr. Mxyzptlk | June 17, 2010, 7:37 pm
  4. yes we are all in dept.but who do we owe the money to? if the world is in recession?could someone explain?

    Posted by hector | June 18, 2010, 10:02 am
  5. Anonymous 1….you don't agree that New Labour put the FSA in charge of regulating and then failed to keep track of that organisation? Lenders introduced all sorts of products during New Labour's time: self-cert mortgages, 135% mortgages, sub-prime….and so on. Limited checks were done by lenders on affordability. All of these things happened on New Labour's watch. I would agree the Tory Party sowed the seed that obscene house prices equalled a healthy economy. That was the biggest lie ever….but New Labour instead of continuing to sell that lie should have nailed it stone dead. For ultimately the reason lenders introduced insane mortgage products was to keep up with the equally insane house prices.

    Posted by Anonymous | June 21, 2010, 2:04 pm
  6. I'm with Hector.I can't help feeling that the whole thing is smoke and mirrors.The money is all there somewhere; it didn't just disappear. Sopmeone has it under their bed maybe?Can anyone suggest a dummy's guide to simple economic theory, because clearly my simplistic ramblings are…. just that.There must be a reason that we put ourselves through all this pain. I suspect someone somwhere, or someones somewheres is/are making a very large sum out of it.

    Posted by tris | June 30, 2010, 8:13 am
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